tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-598760714964482719.post426329742098585295..comments2014-04-29T11:59:13.588-07:00Comments on Theology Thoughts and B.S.: AtonementNicolehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00327193808772539162noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-598760714964482719.post-75046501179652878152009-07-11T13:46:21.909-07:002009-07-11T13:46:21.909-07:00"Established system" makes it sound way ..."Established system" makes it sound way more political than I had in mind. Well, I did have something political in mind, but I was also wanting to include our own selfish ways and our rejection of life. <br /><br />My personal struggle with Sin does lead me to a Savior who was willing to enter into the struggle and "get dirty".Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327193808772539162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-598760714964482719.post-21936393293957039182009-07-11T00:42:57.324-07:002009-07-11T00:42:57.324-07:00Kari,
This post, of course, couldn't address...Kari, <br /><br />This post, of course, couldn't address everything. I like the idea of kenosis (as you know) and do think that even if it wasn't a "have to" something profound happened on the cross.Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327193808772539162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-598760714964482719.post-3551947040280820302009-07-10T21:14:55.540-07:002009-07-10T21:14:55.540-07:00Most of Luther's stuff on Happy Exchange is in...Most of Luther's stuff on Happy Exchange is in his commentaries on Galatians and in The Freedom of a Christian (Which I know you like).Karihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108550332645973307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-598760714964482719.post-9070101635482587222009-07-10T21:10:37.178-07:002009-07-10T21:10:37.178-07:00I'm going to try again -there were silly typos...I'm going to try again -there were silly typos in that last one. I appreciate the thought-provoking summary and assessment of some of the Big Atonement Theories. I agree that Jesus did not "have" to die - in the sense that he was not a passive participant except in the way he CHOSE to be passive. OUt of his fullness he emptied himself. What you're saying seems to point to a sort of pure social gospel in which it's ALL about Jesus vs. the Establishment. I agree that his death was a logical conclusion to the life he led . . .but isn't that just another way of saying that he HAD to die? <br /><br />My personal experience with Sin (both in my own life and in the world) makes me think there must be much more going on than Jesus vs. the Establishment. <br /><br />What do you think of Happy Exchange (Luther's favorite)? No atonement theory "GETS IT" completely because we can't seem to wrap our minds around a God who chooses to let Godself be dragged through the dirt and slime of this world. We keep expecting GOd to stay removed and high above us. What I like about Happy Exchange is that it shows Jesus as an active AGENT who CHOOSES, out of his fullness and oneness with the Father, to empty himself unto death, even death on a cross.<br /><br />And what if the "Devil" is not some nasty guy that God has to fight with - or free us from, but the System of Sin, Destruction itself? <br /><br />And what do you do with the Ransom Text in Mark?Karihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108550332645973307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-598760714964482719.post-22153736594365010342009-07-10T21:01:13.560-07:002009-07-10T21:01:13.560-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Karihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02108550332645973307noreply@blogger.com